Tuesday, November 11, 2008
Kinesias
Kinesias is the perfect example to why the women won. Lysistrata predicted exactly what would happen with the men and why her plan would work. Her plan DID work. The men turned desperate like she said and came running back to them, "craving" their wives. The women were able to make the men submit to their demands. Kinesias basically represented the men of Greece and how although they claim to be so strong and mighty, they actually depend on their wives and without them, would be lost.
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yes, i think that by showing that dependency, Aristophanes is trying to point to a deeper thing in Greek society; that the strong men fight for their homes, but that meens that they need homes to fight for. ultimately, they depend upon the households created by their wives for solace.
Yes I agree...Aristophanes writes different than the past two plays we read, in that it is the women who hold the power and the men who actually are weak and cannot hold their part.The men are the ones who ultimately end up needing womeen and depending upon them, instead of the other way around which we usually read about
I like Nathan's comment, and yep this is basically our presentation. At first Kinesias was really desperate and demanding, but when he realized Myrrhine wouldn't give up on her oath he became very submissive; he'd do anything to end the war.
yeah, that makes sense. because life was so primitive at this time and the men would be gone for so long, they surely must have missed their wives and women and certainly have been dependent on the women.
they give in not only because they want sexual satifiscation but also because their is a certain dependence between men and women at this point in time. if anything, it's more positive than it is negative.
kinesias is a sissy.
i love how myrhinne sets him up by going to and from getting all the different things. that's priceless.
i think that could be symbolic of dependence on material goods.
but nonetheless, myhrinne does a great job of setting up kinesias to think she's going to give in but instead, she deonstrates her wit by faking out kinesias. my favorite scene of the book.
Yes this is so true Kinesias showed the ultimate weakness in his exchange with his wife. How he did everything she said and began practically begging her to sleep with him. I agree that he represented how all the men were feeling, and of course this weakness and desperation is the reason why the women won.
Totally. It shows that men, especially are desperate in this case, slaves to natural desiore. But then again, there is another part of this: dependency on an emotional level and a sexual one.
Thanks for commenting guys:) i agree with you Jenna, Aristophanes does right from a completely different persepective than the authors of the other two books we wrote (Lorca and Ibsen...i didnt forget their names). Aristophanes writes, displaying women as strong and intelligent whereas, in the other two books, they were portrayed as weak, fragile, and dependent on men. Definitely not in this book! The MEN are dependent on the women in this book. And yes, Kinesias is like the "giveaway" for hte men's "strong" image. :)
I agree wit every1... these men are xtremely desperate... and the fact that it onlii takes them 24 hours to reach this point of desperation is SAD... maybe aristophanes is tryin to show that men can be weak to... especially since they are seen to be strong bread winners of there familiaz... mayb he is tryin to show the big misconceptions btween men and women...
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